1 00:00:02,669 --> 00:00:08,050 SAM: A few months ago, billions of people reappeared after five years away. 2 00:00:09,968 --> 00:00:12,262 We need new heroes. 3 00:00:13,555 --> 00:00:15,641 Ones suited for the times we're in. 4 00:00:17,851 --> 00:00:22,272 Symbols are nothing without the women and men that give them meaning. 5 00:00:25,859 --> 00:00:29,321 And this thing, I don't know if there's ever been a greater symbol. 6 00:00:32,699 --> 00:00:34,952 But it's more about the man who propped it up, 7 00:00:36,495 --> 00:00:37,496 and he's gone. 8 00:00:40,123 --> 00:00:44,336 So, today we honor Steve's legacy. But also, we look to the future... 9 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:48,632 and the fights that await us there. 10 00:00:53,470 --> 00:00:56,431 When Disney Plus was announced, we realized there was an opportunity 11 00:00:56,515 --> 00:00:59,309 to interweave a cinematic universe with the television universe, 12 00:00:59,393 --> 00:01:01,186 which had never been done before. 13 00:01:01,270 --> 00:01:04,189 We knew if we could nail it, that's what would make this unique. 14 00:01:04,773 --> 00:01:06,733 These characters can continue to be developed 15 00:01:06,817 --> 00:01:10,070 in a way that we oftentimes don't have time to do in films 16 00:01:10,153 --> 00:01:12,739 and then launch right back into that feature universe, 17 00:01:12,823 --> 00:01:16,118 so that it's truly connected for the first time. 18 00:01:27,212 --> 00:01:29,840 ZOIE NAGELHOUT: I think for Nate and I, it was very obvious 19 00:01:29,923 --> 00:01:32,426 that The Falcon and the Winter Soldier would be 20 00:01:32,509 --> 00:01:34,636 the perfect thing for this kind of format. 21 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:37,806 FALCON: Look at you. All stealthy. (CHUCKLES) 22 00:01:37,890 --> 00:01:40,517 A little time in Wakanda and you come out White Panther. 23 00:01:40,601 --> 00:01:43,395 -It's actually White Wolf. -Huh? 24 00:01:43,478 --> 00:01:47,191 NAGELHOUT: With, quite frankly, not a ton of screen time throughout the movies, 25 00:01:47,274 --> 00:01:48,650 they have become beloved. 26 00:01:48,734 --> 00:01:50,319 What the hell is that? 27 00:01:50,402 --> 00:01:52,279 Everyone's got a gimmick now. 28 00:01:52,362 --> 00:01:55,199 NAGELHOUT: And with the little bit of time they've interacted, 29 00:01:55,282 --> 00:01:58,702 have sort of created this interesting buddy-cop tumultuous dynamic 30 00:01:58,785 --> 00:02:00,412 that was so worth exploring. 31 00:02:00,495 --> 00:02:01,872 Can you move your seat up? 32 00:02:01,955 --> 00:02:02,956 No. 33 00:02:04,374 --> 00:02:07,503 From the outset, the goal was to be very grounded. 34 00:02:08,629 --> 00:02:11,507 Endgame was the battle of the titans 35 00:02:11,590 --> 00:02:15,093 in a universe that was from a stellar place. 36 00:02:15,177 --> 00:02:18,680 So, the swing of the bat here was to bring all of that 37 00:02:18,764 --> 00:02:24,311 into a very relatable, very grounded character place, 38 00:02:24,394 --> 00:02:30,192 so that really the super side of it became embedded in character. 39 00:02:30,275 --> 00:02:32,778 But it was also embedded in a very real world. 40 00:02:32,861 --> 00:02:35,989 This is a moment where you really could drop it all. 41 00:02:36,073 --> 00:02:38,450 And we should feel like that's going through your mind. 42 00:02:38,534 --> 00:02:40,786 -ERIN KELLYMAN: Mmm-hmm. -And therefore he needs to tell her... 43 00:02:40,869 --> 00:02:43,413 You know, you're feeling, like, "I might have her now," 44 00:02:43,497 --> 00:02:45,374 and so you can relax your body. And then boom. 45 00:02:46,500 --> 00:02:48,043 So you kinda sucker punch him, right? 46 00:02:48,126 --> 00:02:51,421 ANTHONY MACKIE: Kari's been great. I think once you see this series, 47 00:02:51,505 --> 00:02:54,967 you'll realize the emotional depth of these characters. 48 00:02:55,092 --> 00:02:58,136 It's more of a drama than anything else. 49 00:02:58,220 --> 00:03:02,641 Kari was able to make us less macho 50 00:03:02,724 --> 00:03:05,227 and put machismo in the series 51 00:03:05,310 --> 00:03:07,062 with all the fighting and special effects 52 00:03:07,145 --> 00:03:09,273 -and explosions and all that stuff. -(SCREAMS) 53 00:03:09,857 --> 00:03:11,066 Not exactly a badass. 54 00:03:11,149 --> 00:03:12,442 -(MACKIE LAUGHS) -What? 55 00:03:12,526 --> 00:03:14,653 MACKIE: But also show the emotional construct 56 00:03:14,736 --> 00:03:16,697 that makes everyone an individual. 57 00:03:16,780 --> 00:03:19,825 SKOGLAND: It was very important to me, and I think to everybody 58 00:03:19,908 --> 00:03:24,162 to explore what it means to be a hero in today's world. 59 00:03:24,246 --> 00:03:26,665 If in the past, in the MCU, 60 00:03:26,748 --> 00:03:31,378 being a hero was very much related to being a soldier and being a warrior, 61 00:03:31,461 --> 00:03:34,173 the new hero is not that. 62 00:03:34,256 --> 00:03:37,634 The new hero is really a first responder, 63 00:03:37,718 --> 00:03:41,889 and so it was embedded in our journey for both characters. 64 00:03:41,972 --> 00:03:44,850 Walker! Help me! 65 00:03:44,933 --> 00:03:47,477 SEBASTIAN STAN: I think she just saw this 66 00:03:47,561 --> 00:03:50,856 as two regular guys trying to find their way 67 00:03:50,939 --> 00:03:56,403 and the main thing that stood out to me was this new kind of way of shooting 68 00:03:56,486 --> 00:04:00,240 where she would capture the characters' inner thoughts and so on. 69 00:04:00,324 --> 00:04:02,075 And I thought that was really interesting. 70 00:04:02,159 --> 00:04:07,748 So, now that you've stopped fighting, what do you want? 71 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:14,213 Peace. 72 00:04:14,296 --> 00:04:15,839 That is utter bull... 73 00:04:18,467 --> 00:04:22,513 MALCOLM SPELLMAN: As soon as you step into the second floor of the Marvel building, 74 00:04:22,596 --> 00:04:24,973 it really does make you feel like 75 00:04:25,057 --> 00:04:27,392 you've stepped into something that's bigger than you. 76 00:04:29,102 --> 00:04:33,607 Kevin and the rest of the Marvel team's mandate of, "This cannot be TV," 77 00:04:33,690 --> 00:04:35,150 it has to feel like a movie, 78 00:04:35,234 --> 00:04:37,361 but the storytelling is inherently spread out. 79 00:04:37,444 --> 00:04:40,280 I felt particularly equipped to do that. 80 00:04:40,364 --> 00:04:42,282 I always say, "You break stories two ways." 81 00:04:42,366 --> 00:04:44,535 You break 'em vertically, which is by each episode, 82 00:04:44,618 --> 00:04:45,911 then, horizontally. 83 00:04:45,994 --> 00:04:49,873 And that horizontal break with the characters and their relationships, 84 00:04:50,624 --> 00:04:54,503 every iteration of show we did, that maintained and actually got stronger. 85 00:04:54,628 --> 00:04:55,879 Enjoy your ride, Buck. 86 00:04:55,963 --> 00:04:57,881 No, no, no, no, you can't call me that. 87 00:04:58,006 --> 00:05:01,718 -Why? That's what Steve called you. -Steve knew me longer and he had a plan. 88 00:05:01,802 --> 00:05:04,221 When we were talking about the idea for the show, 89 00:05:04,304 --> 00:05:07,474 Malcolm Spellman said the thing that resonated for him the most 90 00:05:07,558 --> 00:05:10,561 with the end of Endgame was Sam's line, 91 00:05:10,644 --> 00:05:14,106 "It feels like it's someone else's," and the notion of legacy. 92 00:05:14,189 --> 00:05:15,190 STEVE: How does it feel? 93 00:05:17,442 --> 00:05:18,986 Like it's someone else's. 94 00:05:19,111 --> 00:05:20,487 It isn't. 95 00:05:23,907 --> 00:05:24,908 (SIGHS) 96 00:05:24,992 --> 00:05:28,912 NAGELHOUT: That line became sort of the backbone of Sam's arc. 97 00:05:28,996 --> 00:05:34,084 And it was very clear to us that if we're gonna tell a story over six hours, 98 00:05:34,168 --> 00:05:39,089 we owe it to both that mantle and that symbol and that character 99 00:05:39,173 --> 00:05:41,133 to dissect it from every angle 100 00:05:41,216 --> 00:05:45,304 before he can arc to a place where he's evolved. 101 00:05:45,387 --> 00:05:51,518 I'd felt like we would be dishonest to the fans and dishonest to, 102 00:05:51,602 --> 00:05:53,228 just on a human level, 103 00:05:53,312 --> 00:05:55,939 if we had this Black man just accept this symbol 104 00:05:56,023 --> 00:05:58,317 without having real ambivalence about it. 105 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:02,404 And we knew that that was gonna be crucial to Sam's burden. 106 00:06:02,487 --> 00:06:03,864 As a Black man in America, 107 00:06:03,947 --> 00:06:06,700 to take on the stars and stripes and wear that proudly, 108 00:06:06,783 --> 00:06:09,453 that's not something that Sam Wilson would do out of the box. 109 00:06:09,536 --> 00:06:12,539 The notion of exploring what Blackness means in America 110 00:06:12,623 --> 00:06:14,541 was kind of the hypothesis of the show, 111 00:06:14,625 --> 00:06:16,210 and the notion of legacy was something 112 00:06:16,293 --> 00:06:18,795 that both Sam and Bucky, in the show, explore. 113 00:06:18,921 --> 00:06:23,217 Maybe this is something you or Steve will never understand. 114 00:06:24,885 --> 00:06:27,888 But can you accept that I did what I thought was right? 115 00:06:30,474 --> 00:06:32,267 MACKIE: When you think Captain America, 116 00:06:32,351 --> 00:06:35,354 you think of a very specific brand of person. 117 00:06:35,437 --> 00:06:38,440 There are so many different lines, so many different avenues, 118 00:06:38,524 --> 00:06:42,402 so many realities that we have to live in every day 119 00:06:42,486 --> 00:06:45,405 to be a successful Black man in our society. 120 00:06:45,489 --> 00:06:49,326 You know, you can't be the same person every room you walk in. 121 00:06:49,409 --> 00:06:51,954 It's a hard duality that you have to live in 122 00:06:52,037 --> 00:06:55,123 and sometimes specifically, for somebody like Sam, 123 00:06:55,207 --> 00:06:58,168 you have to ask yourself, "Are you willing to deal with it?" 124 00:06:58,752 --> 00:07:02,881 KID: Hey, it's Black Falcon. What's up? SAM: It's just Falcon, kid. 125 00:07:02,965 --> 00:07:06,260 I mean, I think 2020 and COVID, if nothing else, 126 00:07:06,343 --> 00:07:12,432 have proven how difficult it is to be a Black man in America. 127 00:07:12,516 --> 00:07:16,895 It's not a new understanding or experience for anybody Black. 128 00:07:16,979 --> 00:07:19,690 -Hey, is this guy bothering you? -No, he's not bothering me. 129 00:07:19,773 --> 00:07:21,233 Do you know who this is? 130 00:07:21,316 --> 00:07:23,110 (WHISPERS) Hey, these guys are Avengers. 131 00:07:25,112 --> 00:07:27,531 Oh, God, I am so sorry, Mr. Wilson. 132 00:07:27,614 --> 00:07:30,492 (CHUCKLES NERVOUSLY) I didn't recognize you without the goggles. 133 00:07:30,576 --> 00:07:32,703 MACKIE: With Sam picking up the shield, 134 00:07:32,786 --> 00:07:37,457 it's such a representation of the country that we live in, 135 00:07:37,541 --> 00:07:40,419 you know, there's a lot of trepidation 136 00:07:40,502 --> 00:07:46,717 as far as, "How does a Black man represent a country that does not represent him?" 137 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:50,429 SPELLMAN: We knew the journey that Sam was gonna go on 138 00:07:50,512 --> 00:07:52,514 was going to be particularly rough for him 139 00:07:52,598 --> 00:07:56,685 just because of the fact that he is a Black superhero, right? 140 00:07:56,768 --> 00:08:00,480 Well, Anthony's backstory is rooted in Louisiana, 141 00:08:00,564 --> 00:08:04,193 and we merged some of that so that it could become really, really personal. 142 00:08:04,276 --> 00:08:07,070 Then they start telling you what they've done with the characters, 143 00:08:07,154 --> 00:08:09,031 and from that a whole life is born. 144 00:08:09,615 --> 00:08:11,617 I told you specifically that the water pump 145 00:08:11,700 --> 00:08:14,119 was not the problem, and yet, here you are. 146 00:08:14,203 --> 00:08:18,498 In our defense, we were supposed to have this done way before you woke up. 147 00:08:18,582 --> 00:08:21,460 I don't come up to the sky to tell you how to barrel roll or whatever, 148 00:08:21,543 --> 00:08:23,670 so you don't come down here and start messing around with things 149 00:08:23,754 --> 00:08:25,589 -you clearly don't understand. -Wow... 150 00:08:25,672 --> 00:08:29,343 MACKIE: You know, Adepero came in and gave an amazing performance as my sister 151 00:08:29,426 --> 00:08:35,307 and really gave that character a backbone that kind of defined the entire history 152 00:08:35,390 --> 00:08:40,646 of what this character, Sam Wilson, really is from Winter Soldier till now. 153 00:08:40,729 --> 00:08:43,524 -I thought you said you're a pilot. -I never said pilot. 154 00:08:43,607 --> 00:08:49,196 MACKIE: You see how all of that became this man from where he was from. 155 00:08:49,279 --> 00:08:52,741 I've enjoyed learning who Sam Wilson truly is. 156 00:08:52,824 --> 00:08:55,994 What would be the point of all the pain and sacrifice 157 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:59,456 if I wasn't willing to stand up and keep fightin'? 158 00:09:00,749 --> 00:09:03,252 NAGELHOUT: Sam's search for identity is about his future 159 00:09:03,335 --> 00:09:06,129 and Bucky's search for identity is about his past. 160 00:09:06,213 --> 00:09:08,757 And for Bucky, what we don't want to do 161 00:09:08,841 --> 00:09:10,926 is abandon ten years of storytelling. 162 00:09:11,009 --> 00:09:13,929 It was really important that we tackle those ten years of storytelling 163 00:09:14,012 --> 00:09:18,183 and allow Bucky to process the events of his life 164 00:09:18,267 --> 00:09:21,562 in a way that he hasn't had time to in the two hour stories 165 00:09:21,645 --> 00:09:23,021 that he's been a part of. 166 00:09:23,105 --> 00:09:24,773 MOORE: When we were making First Avenger, 167 00:09:24,857 --> 00:09:27,150 there are always ideas of what could happen one day 168 00:09:27,234 --> 00:09:29,444 if we were so lucky to make a sequel. 169 00:09:29,528 --> 00:09:31,947 You're trying to get that movie right the first time. 170 00:09:32,030 --> 00:09:33,782 You're not sure where this will lead. 171 00:09:33,866 --> 00:09:39,246 Sergeant Barnes, you are to be the new fist of HYDRA. 172 00:09:39,872 --> 00:09:43,041 MOORE: We'd be lying to say we didn't talk about where Bucky could go, 173 00:09:43,125 --> 00:09:46,461 but we didn't know how far we could take him and where he might end up. 174 00:09:46,545 --> 00:09:48,755 When you see Sebastian portraying the Winter Soldier, 175 00:09:48,839 --> 00:09:51,425 which to us was even an extra level, 176 00:09:51,508 --> 00:09:53,510 we knew there was something to explore there. 177 00:09:53,594 --> 00:09:55,596 -What did I do? -Enough. 178 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:57,556 Oh, God. I knew this would happen. 179 00:09:57,639 --> 00:10:00,017 Everything HYDRA put inside me is still there. 180 00:10:00,100 --> 00:10:02,144 MOORE: The relationship between Bucky and Steve 181 00:10:02,227 --> 00:10:05,022 is so dramatic and so filled with pathos, 182 00:10:05,105 --> 00:10:06,273 if you think about it, 183 00:10:06,356 --> 00:10:09,526 the only person who had believed in Bucky in the MCU up to this point 184 00:10:09,610 --> 00:10:11,069 was Steve Rogers. 185 00:10:11,153 --> 00:10:12,613 Well, now Steve Rogers is gone. 186 00:10:12,696 --> 00:10:16,116 Bucky feels unmoored in this series and is looking for his purpose. 187 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:20,787 That shield's the closest thing I've got left to a family. 188 00:10:22,623 --> 00:10:23,999 So when you retired it, 189 00:10:25,876 --> 00:10:28,003 it made me feel like I had nothing left. 190 00:10:28,086 --> 00:10:30,547 What was challenging for me was the balance between 191 00:10:30,631 --> 00:10:32,925 introducing the characters in a new way, 192 00:10:33,008 --> 00:10:36,845 and yet making you still be aware of where they come from. You know? 193 00:10:36,929 --> 00:10:40,098 I always think with these movies, every time I come back, 194 00:10:40,182 --> 00:10:41,266 I'm always thinking, 195 00:10:41,350 --> 00:10:44,394 "Okay, what if a fan sits down and watches 196 00:10:44,478 --> 00:10:46,939 Captain America: First Avenger, Winter Soldier, Civil War, 197 00:10:47,022 --> 00:10:48,690 The Avengers, now this, 198 00:10:48,774 --> 00:10:52,319 are they gonna be able to see that same character throughout, 199 00:10:52,402 --> 00:10:55,989 and then see that character evolve in new ways 200 00:10:56,073 --> 00:10:58,033 but still be the same character?" 201 00:10:58,116 --> 00:10:59,868 I am no longer the Winter Soldier. 202 00:10:59,952 --> 00:11:01,203 I'm James Bucky Barnes. 203 00:11:01,286 --> 00:11:04,164 And you're part of my efforts to make amends. 204 00:11:05,916 --> 00:11:08,502 How does this character now function in the world? 205 00:11:08,585 --> 00:11:10,587 What's his life going back to Brooklyn? 206 00:11:10,671 --> 00:11:13,715 How is he meeting people? How is he interacting at coffee shops? 207 00:11:13,799 --> 00:11:16,677 Is he dating? Is he thinking about another career? 208 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:18,846 Look, you've gotta nurture friendships. 209 00:11:18,929 --> 00:11:21,723 I am the only person you have called all week. 210 00:11:21,807 --> 00:11:23,183 -That is so sad. -(THUDS) 211 00:11:24,393 --> 00:11:28,063 Bucky got this line in the show where he tells the shrink... 212 00:11:28,146 --> 00:11:29,398 I had a little... 213 00:11:30,983 --> 00:11:33,235 calm in Wakanda. 214 00:11:34,778 --> 00:11:39,241 And other than that, I just went from one fight to another for 90 years. 215 00:11:39,324 --> 00:11:43,078 SPELLMAN: So the series is now his first chance to deal with that, 216 00:11:43,161 --> 00:11:45,497 whether or not he really is a killer in his DNA, 217 00:11:45,581 --> 00:11:47,666 whether or not he can be a hero, right? 218 00:11:47,749 --> 00:11:50,002 Like, "Am I even cut out?" 219 00:11:50,085 --> 00:11:52,588 STAN: There's always gonna be a dark side to this character 220 00:11:52,671 --> 00:11:53,672 which I always loved, 221 00:11:53,755 --> 00:11:57,092 and is, to me, what made him more interesting and complex. 222 00:11:57,176 --> 00:12:00,470 And, you know, like, life, I feel like that doesn't go away. 223 00:12:00,554 --> 00:12:02,139 It's still there in a way. 224 00:12:02,222 --> 00:12:04,433 He's learning how to deal with that a little more. 225 00:12:07,728 --> 00:12:11,064 Bucky is very much trying to come to grips with the things that he has done 226 00:12:11,148 --> 00:12:12,232 that can't be undone. 227 00:12:12,316 --> 00:12:15,652 And Sam Wilson becomes a big part of his journey 228 00:12:15,736 --> 00:12:19,573 towards figuring out who Bucky Barnes is outside of the Winter Soldier moniker. 229 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:25,078 You up for a little tough love? 230 00:12:26,955 --> 00:12:28,832 You want to climb out of that hell you're in, 231 00:12:29,791 --> 00:12:30,792 do the work. 232 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:32,961 Do it. 233 00:12:34,254 --> 00:12:35,380 I've been making amends. 234 00:12:35,506 --> 00:12:37,716 Nah. You weren't amending, you were avenging. 235 00:12:37,799 --> 00:12:39,218 (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) 236 00:12:41,345 --> 00:12:43,430 "Don't worry about me. Just keep on doin' what you're doing." 237 00:12:44,056 --> 00:12:45,307 That's not me, that's in the script. 238 00:12:45,390 --> 00:12:47,309 (SNICKERS) 239 00:12:47,392 --> 00:12:50,395 SKOGLAND: The Winter Soldier and Falcon are incredibly watchable 240 00:12:50,479 --> 00:12:55,526 as a reluctant team who are out to save the world, frankly. 241 00:12:55,609 --> 00:12:57,402 -Hey, John! -(SNICKERS) 242 00:12:57,945 --> 00:12:59,613 How'd you find us this time? 243 00:12:59,696 --> 00:13:02,074 -I really wanted to do it like that. -(LAUGHS) 244 00:13:02,157 --> 00:13:03,200 STAN: You broke my thing. 245 00:13:03,283 --> 00:13:05,160 SKOGLAND: It's been not just fun, 246 00:13:05,244 --> 00:13:09,665 but also very emotionally charged at times as we explore this. 247 00:13:09,748 --> 00:13:11,667 Because it's one thing to see it on paper 248 00:13:11,750 --> 00:13:14,378 and then, as you know, Sebastian and Anthony 249 00:13:14,461 --> 00:13:15,879 get a hold of the material, 250 00:13:15,963 --> 00:13:18,131 they embrace it and embody it in a way 251 00:13:18,215 --> 00:13:20,008 that we can't possibly have imagined. 252 00:13:20,092 --> 00:13:22,135 So, every day a scene unfolds, 253 00:13:22,219 --> 00:13:26,181 that is something I didn't anticipate and it always gets better. 254 00:13:26,265 --> 00:13:29,351 I gotta say, this is a very Bad Boys II shot. 255 00:13:29,434 --> 00:13:30,644 This was a two-hander. 256 00:13:30,727 --> 00:13:33,397 Two-hander don't mean just these two characters. 257 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:37,234 There's a spirit and an energy that comes from a two-hander. 258 00:13:37,317 --> 00:13:39,111 Like here's the spectrum, right? 259 00:13:39,194 --> 00:13:42,322 Defiant Ones. 48 Hrs. 260 00:13:42,406 --> 00:13:44,700 This... And comedy's over here, right? 261 00:13:44,783 --> 00:13:47,578 48 Hrs., Lethal Weapon. 262 00:13:47,661 --> 00:13:51,957 Then comes Rush Hour, Ride Along and so on, right? 263 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:54,585 We knew we wanted to be somewhere near Lethal Weapon. 264 00:13:54,668 --> 00:13:56,461 It's time for the soul gazing exercise. 265 00:13:56,545 --> 00:13:57,546 I like this one. 266 00:13:57,629 --> 00:13:58,964 He's gonna love this. 267 00:13:59,047 --> 00:14:02,634 -Yeah, I'm ready. -Just face each other. 268 00:14:02,718 --> 00:14:04,011 You should really enjoy this. 269 00:14:04,094 --> 00:14:06,763 STAN: I really do genuinely love working with Anthony. 270 00:14:06,847 --> 00:14:11,935 I mean, like there are definitely days where I feel like he's gonna kill me. 271 00:14:12,019 --> 00:14:17,232 Um... Not physically. Just like his presence. You know? (CHUCKLES) 272 00:14:17,316 --> 00:14:18,692 MACKIE: We have to get it with the light. 273 00:14:18,817 --> 00:14:20,861 All right, just wanna make sure we're... 274 00:14:20,944 --> 00:14:24,531 It establishes the location. This is his first movie. 275 00:14:24,615 --> 00:14:25,949 (WIND BLOWING) 276 00:14:26,033 --> 00:14:27,201 Yolo! 277 00:14:27,284 --> 00:14:31,121 The two of them are so good at bouncing off of each other 278 00:14:31,205 --> 00:14:32,956 and going on a path of discovery. 279 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:34,333 (WHISPERS) Make sure you record all of this. 280 00:14:34,416 --> 00:14:35,501 MAN: Quiet! 281 00:14:35,584 --> 00:14:37,669 SKOGLAND: And Daniel Brühl the same, oh, my gosh. 282 00:14:37,753 --> 00:14:40,923 The three of them together are at times so hilarious, 283 00:14:41,006 --> 00:14:44,259 I have to kind of pull them all back and remind them, "Wait a sec. 284 00:14:44,343 --> 00:14:46,303 "We can't be having this much fun." (LAUGHS) 285 00:14:48,138 --> 00:14:50,516 MOORE: In the Falcon and Winter Soldier writers' room, 286 00:14:50,599 --> 00:14:53,769 we were inspired by key art done from Civil War of Zemo. 287 00:14:53,852 --> 00:14:55,354 That was very much on the wall. 288 00:14:55,437 --> 00:14:56,813 How do we get this 289 00:14:56,897 --> 00:14:59,650 great iconography again back into the show? 290 00:14:59,733 --> 00:15:01,527 And Zemo, the character, in Civil War, 291 00:15:01,610 --> 00:15:03,362 is a complicated and interesting character, 292 00:15:03,445 --> 00:15:06,281 'cause he's a villain, but his point of view is very defensible. 293 00:15:06,365 --> 00:15:08,909 I'm here because I made a promise. 294 00:15:08,992 --> 00:15:10,077 You lost someone? 295 00:15:10,744 --> 00:15:12,496 I lost everyone. 296 00:15:12,579 --> 00:15:15,123 He was fighting to avenge these people he loved. 297 00:15:15,207 --> 00:15:16,458 It came from a place of love, 298 00:15:16,542 --> 00:15:19,711 even if it manifested in this horrible, tragic way, 299 00:15:19,795 --> 00:15:23,966 it was important for us to maintain that layered complexity of the character. 300 00:15:24,049 --> 00:15:27,469 It took me two days until I found their bodies. 301 00:15:30,097 --> 00:15:31,098 My father... 302 00:15:32,391 --> 00:15:35,853 still holding my wife and son in his arms. 303 00:15:38,605 --> 00:15:39,648 (SIGHS) 304 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:41,900 And the Avengers? 305 00:15:43,569 --> 00:15:44,570 They went home. 306 00:15:45,529 --> 00:15:47,489 We would've always have tried to figure out 307 00:15:47,573 --> 00:15:49,366 how to get Zemo into the show, 308 00:15:49,449 --> 00:15:51,785 but the truth is as we started to build the story, 309 00:15:51,869 --> 00:15:53,996 there was a very natural way to slide him in. 310 00:15:54,079 --> 00:15:57,332 You are assuming HYDRA has something to do with this... 311 00:15:58,500 --> 00:16:02,796 which is why you came to me, which means you are desperate. 312 00:16:03,547 --> 00:16:07,926 Luckily for you, I know where to begin. 313 00:16:08,010 --> 00:16:12,181 I was very excited when I got the call to come back and to read those scripts, 314 00:16:12,264 --> 00:16:18,020 in which you have a lot of meaty scenes and time to spend with Zemo. 315 00:16:18,103 --> 00:16:21,732 He was a charismatic and pivotal role 316 00:16:21,815 --> 00:16:23,275 in Captain America: Civil War. 317 00:16:23,358 --> 00:16:26,403 You know, back then I thought I'd like to know more about him 318 00:16:26,486 --> 00:16:28,113 and explore this character more. 319 00:16:28,197 --> 00:16:29,740 I loved playing him, 320 00:16:29,823 --> 00:16:32,242 but there was that slight bittersweet feeling 321 00:16:32,326 --> 00:16:34,912 at the very end when I finished, thinking like, 322 00:16:34,995 --> 00:16:39,208 "Oh, man, now I've played this guy, but I never wore this mask." 323 00:16:39,291 --> 00:16:40,459 (OMINOUS MUSIC PLAYING) 324 00:16:44,296 --> 00:16:46,965 STAN: (CHUCKLES) He really blows me away in this thing 325 00:16:47,049 --> 00:16:51,178 because he found a whole different side of Zemo 326 00:16:51,261 --> 00:16:52,763 that you didn't even see coming. 327 00:16:52,846 --> 00:16:54,681 So all this time you've been rich? 328 00:16:54,765 --> 00:16:55,891 I'm a baron, Sam. 329 00:16:55,974 --> 00:16:58,894 My family was royalty until your friends destroyed my country. 330 00:16:58,977 --> 00:17:04,775 STAN: And he's really made this character so dynamic and funny and different. 331 00:17:04,858 --> 00:17:09,321 And there's a very human side to Zemo that's really cool. 332 00:17:13,408 --> 00:17:15,994 NAGELHOUT: John Walker was sort of an obvious choice 333 00:17:16,078 --> 00:17:17,412 for us to include in the series, 334 00:17:17,496 --> 00:17:20,374 not only because of his connection to the publishing run, 335 00:17:20,457 --> 00:17:24,419 but also because he feeds directly into the conversation 336 00:17:24,503 --> 00:17:26,672 about what the shield means today. 337 00:17:26,755 --> 00:17:31,927 And he embodies a genuine desire to be good and to do good, 338 00:17:32,010 --> 00:17:33,804 but that's not enough to be Cap. 339 00:17:33,887 --> 00:17:35,639 The serum never corrupted Steve. 340 00:17:35,722 --> 00:17:36,723 Touché. 341 00:17:37,558 --> 00:17:40,435 But there has never been another Steve Rogers, has there? 342 00:17:40,519 --> 00:17:43,522 MOORE: Wyatt was an interesting choice because a lot of his work, 343 00:17:43,605 --> 00:17:46,525 he plays, the stoner-slacker with the long hair and the beard. 344 00:17:46,608 --> 00:17:49,528 But what we found in reading him, is there is an energy, 345 00:17:49,611 --> 00:17:50,612 there's an edge to him 346 00:17:50,696 --> 00:17:53,198 that neither Sam Wilson nor Bucky Barnes has. 347 00:17:53,282 --> 00:17:54,616 And we felt that was important 348 00:17:54,700 --> 00:17:57,327 so that John Walker stood apart from these two characters. 349 00:17:57,411 --> 00:17:59,580 To some degree, Walker is coming into the show 350 00:17:59,663 --> 00:18:03,250 with a chip on his shoulder to prove that he is worthy of this mantle. 351 00:18:03,333 --> 00:18:06,837 Just 'cause you carry that shield, it doesn't mean you're Captain America. 352 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:08,005 I've done the work. 353 00:18:08,088 --> 00:18:12,551 I gravitate towards characters who need to make difficult decisions 354 00:18:12,634 --> 00:18:14,511 and they have to be one thing 355 00:18:14,595 --> 00:18:17,931 while trying simultaneously to toe the line over to the other. 356 00:18:18,015 --> 00:18:20,517 You already have three Medals of Honor. 357 00:18:20,601 --> 00:18:24,688 You consistently make the right decisions in the heat of battle. 358 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:27,441 Yep. 359 00:18:28,734 --> 00:18:33,572 Three badges of excellence to make sure I never forget the worst day of my life. 360 00:18:33,655 --> 00:18:36,450 I had no idea the character I was playing. 361 00:18:36,533 --> 00:18:38,744 I was excited to be a part of this Marvel thing. 362 00:18:38,827 --> 00:18:43,290 So I had no idea that I was actually going to be an integral character at all. 363 00:18:43,415 --> 00:18:45,709 They were like "Well, actually, you're Lemar Hoskins." 364 00:18:45,792 --> 00:18:48,003 (LAUGHS) And I was like "Shoot! I know Lemar Hoskins." 365 00:18:48,086 --> 00:18:51,089 'Cause I literally have the comic books. I have them. 366 00:18:51,173 --> 00:18:53,509 I have the editions that he's in. 367 00:18:54,051 --> 00:18:55,219 You know, that famous one, 368 00:18:55,302 --> 00:18:59,014 the Captain America one, him and they're on the cover, I have that. 369 00:18:59,473 --> 00:19:01,391 All right, so I was just totally psyched. 370 00:19:01,475 --> 00:19:05,521 And I was like, "I hope I get a suit. I hope they make me a suit." 371 00:19:08,148 --> 00:19:11,401 The costume puts you in, like, that superhero posture. 372 00:19:11,485 --> 00:19:13,779 That sort of feels weird if you just do it on your own. 373 00:19:13,862 --> 00:19:15,239 A word of advice then, 374 00:19:17,366 --> 00:19:18,951 stay the hell out of my way. 375 00:19:19,034 --> 00:19:22,454 MICHAEL CROW: There's a lot of similarities, construction-wise, 376 00:19:22,538 --> 00:19:27,417 with John Walker's costume and all the previous Captain America costumes. 377 00:19:27,501 --> 00:19:31,839 I wanted to keep continuity of feeling and look. 378 00:19:31,922 --> 00:19:34,675 So we used a lot of the same prints and the fabrics 379 00:19:34,758 --> 00:19:38,136 and colors that we've used before. 380 00:19:38,220 --> 00:19:40,597 I think we did tweak the red a little bit 381 00:19:40,681 --> 00:19:42,683 and made it a little brighter 382 00:19:42,766 --> 00:19:45,227 and patriotic than some of the previous costumes. 383 00:19:45,310 --> 00:19:49,398 Definitely, definitely helped the attitude of the character 384 00:19:49,481 --> 00:19:51,900 'cause it was just a little bit more arrogant 385 00:19:51,984 --> 00:19:55,529 than I think that I would've been if I hadn't had a little help. 386 00:19:55,612 --> 00:19:59,032 SKOGLAND: It's really important, I think, that when setting up a world, 387 00:19:59,116 --> 00:20:02,160 you get into the characterization as quickly as possible. 388 00:20:02,244 --> 00:20:05,873 And they both explored the conundrum of being a soldier, 389 00:20:05,956 --> 00:20:09,543 and how difficult it is to walk the lines of following orders 390 00:20:09,626 --> 00:20:11,920 as well as doing the right thing. 391 00:20:13,297 --> 00:20:15,382 I killed him because I had to. 392 00:20:16,008 --> 00:20:17,050 He killed Lemar. 393 00:20:17,134 --> 00:20:19,636 BENNETT: Lemar is his voice of reason, right? 394 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:22,055 And then all of a sudden, he's gone. 395 00:20:22,139 --> 00:20:25,309 First, there's a lot of vengeance 'cause you've killed my best friend, 396 00:20:25,392 --> 00:20:28,020 but then there's a raging insecurity that just takes over. 397 00:20:28,103 --> 00:20:31,148 RUSSELL: He wants to represent the shield the best way that he possibly can. 398 00:20:31,231 --> 00:20:32,691 And the really interesting part is 399 00:20:32,774 --> 00:20:36,570 in his mind, he kinda did because that's what he was trained to do. 400 00:20:37,571 --> 00:20:39,865 (ROCK MUSIC PLAYING) 401 00:20:46,622 --> 00:20:49,666 These boots are not made for walkin'. 402 00:20:52,878 --> 00:20:55,881 MOORE: Typically, we go back to publishing and look for characters 403 00:20:55,964 --> 00:20:59,259 that thematically matched the things we're trying to do in the show 404 00:20:59,343 --> 00:21:01,094 and then put our own Marvel spin on them. 405 00:21:01,178 --> 00:21:03,889 Valentina Allegra de Fontaine. 406 00:21:03,972 --> 00:21:07,893 Actually, it's Contessa Valentina Allegra de Fontaine. 407 00:21:08,393 --> 00:21:11,438 I know it's hard, but I don't like to repeat myself, 408 00:21:11,563 --> 00:21:12,814 so you can just call me Val. 409 00:21:12,898 --> 00:21:17,110 We needed a character to be this sort of "Nick Fury", 410 00:21:17,194 --> 00:21:21,073 but shady type, to sort of enter John's world. 411 00:21:21,156 --> 00:21:23,575 First of all, the name alone, 412 00:21:23,659 --> 00:21:28,747 Contessa Valentina Allegra de Fontaine is just... 413 00:21:28,830 --> 00:21:33,585 I mean, they had me there, just with the name, to be honest with you. 414 00:21:33,669 --> 00:21:38,173 You did the right thing taking the serum. 415 00:21:38,257 --> 00:21:41,134 Yeah, of course I know about that. And I'll tell you something. 416 00:21:41,218 --> 00:21:45,138 It has made you very, very valuable to certain people. 417 00:21:45,222 --> 00:21:48,934 LOUIS-DREYFUS: Whether she's a good guy or a bad guy remains to be seen. 418 00:21:49,017 --> 00:21:51,353 She's sort of living in a gray zone, I think. 419 00:21:51,436 --> 00:21:53,939 Couldn't have planned it better myself. 420 00:21:54,022 --> 00:21:58,318 Maybe I did. No, I didn't. I'm just kidding. Or am I? 421 00:21:58,402 --> 00:22:00,821 LOUIS-DREYFUS: I like the idea of a female mastermind. 422 00:22:00,904 --> 00:22:02,656 I think it's about time. 423 00:22:02,739 --> 00:22:06,827 She's about three steps ahead of everyone. And that's gobs of fun to play. 424 00:22:06,910 --> 00:22:09,830 Things are about to get very weird. 425 00:22:09,913 --> 00:22:14,168 And, you know, when they do, we're not gonna need a Captain America. 426 00:22:14,251 --> 00:22:15,252 WALKER: No. 427 00:22:16,044 --> 00:22:17,588 You know what we're gonna need? 428 00:22:20,048 --> 00:22:22,009 A U.S. Agent. 429 00:22:22,843 --> 00:22:25,387 How do you want the rest of this conversation to go, Sam, huh? 430 00:22:27,764 --> 00:22:28,849 Yeah. (CHUCKLES SOFTLY) 431 00:22:28,932 --> 00:22:30,350 Should I put down the shield? 432 00:22:30,434 --> 00:22:32,019 -Make it fair? -(SCOFFS) 433 00:22:38,233 --> 00:22:41,195 So, we're on Zemo's apartment set, 434 00:22:41,278 --> 00:22:44,531 which we built specifically for Zemo, 435 00:22:44,615 --> 00:22:48,911 also to accommodate a big fight sequence that we do in here when the Dora show up. 436 00:22:50,287 --> 00:22:51,288 (WALKER GRUNTING) 437 00:22:51,371 --> 00:22:53,790 BRAD MARTIN: We started off training our actors here. 438 00:22:53,874 --> 00:22:56,835 They do as much as they can, they learn as much as they can, 439 00:22:56,919 --> 00:22:59,087 and perform as much as they're able to on camera, 440 00:22:59,171 --> 00:23:02,925 and that's what everybody wants to see, our actors, our heroes doing the action. 441 00:23:03,008 --> 00:23:06,094 All right, so that's where you stab. And then I'll count you in. 442 00:23:07,221 --> 00:23:09,223 And three, two, one, stab. 443 00:23:09,306 --> 00:23:12,976 It's an organic hand-to-hand combat, but they got those spears, man. 444 00:23:13,060 --> 00:23:17,189 When you're choreographing the fight scene with spears, you can't fake. 445 00:23:17,272 --> 00:23:20,359 A spear is a spear. You're gonna... (LAUGHS) You know what I'm sayin'? 446 00:23:20,442 --> 00:23:22,653 MARTIN: Working with the Marvel actors 447 00:23:22,736 --> 00:23:25,489 that have done these characters makes things way easier. 448 00:23:25,572 --> 00:23:28,408 They know the deal. They know what their characters do in general. 449 00:23:28,492 --> 00:23:30,494 MACKIE: (GROANS) Oh, God. 450 00:23:30,577 --> 00:23:32,246 In terms of the ease and efficiency, 451 00:23:32,329 --> 00:23:34,540 working on a set than working on a stage 452 00:23:34,623 --> 00:23:37,626 is always easier, always faster, always more controllable. 453 00:23:37,709 --> 00:23:39,837 -That's what you need to do. -(INDISTINCT CHATTER) 454 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:43,173 You need to control all the elements when you're making big action. 455 00:23:46,051 --> 00:23:49,805 So we had three of the Dora, we had all of our guys. 456 00:23:49,888 --> 00:23:52,599 The room was filled with our characters. 457 00:23:52,683 --> 00:23:54,852 And then everybody is smashing everybody else. 458 00:23:54,935 --> 00:23:56,645 (CHUCKLES) So it was a lot of fun. 459 00:23:56,728 --> 00:23:59,356 (BOTH GRUNTING) 460 00:24:09,324 --> 00:24:11,201 Bast damn you, James. 461 00:24:12,619 --> 00:24:15,789 NAGELHOUT: It was, in my opinion, a complete no-brainer 462 00:24:15,873 --> 00:24:16,999 to include the Wakandans. 463 00:24:17,082 --> 00:24:20,586 I mean, Florence Kasumba is just a force. 464 00:24:22,462 --> 00:24:28,385 Any time I get to play Ayo, it's always like a Christmas present. 465 00:24:29,052 --> 00:24:33,682 Because it actually doesn't really matter where I would have to work. 466 00:24:33,765 --> 00:24:35,309 I'm always excited. 467 00:24:35,392 --> 00:24:37,352 Most of the time, when I get the phone call, 468 00:24:37,436 --> 00:24:38,854 I don't even know the story. 469 00:24:38,937 --> 00:24:40,898 I only know that I will play the character, 470 00:24:40,981 --> 00:24:43,108 but I don't really know what's happening. 471 00:24:43,192 --> 00:24:46,862 And, like the audience, I'm excited 'cause I have no idea. 472 00:24:46,945 --> 00:24:49,239 I will have to read the books and train. 473 00:24:49,323 --> 00:24:52,701 I just got used to the fact that when I get the phone call, 474 00:24:52,784 --> 00:24:54,578 I will always be ready to function, 475 00:24:54,661 --> 00:24:56,288 because I train the whole year, 476 00:24:56,371 --> 00:25:00,000 and am in contact with the other women, for example, who played the Dora Milaje. 477 00:25:00,083 --> 00:25:04,254 And we exchange, and everybody still continues doing other projects. 478 00:25:04,338 --> 00:25:08,967 But at the end of the day, the minute you put on the armor and the costume, 479 00:25:09,051 --> 00:25:10,928 you become the character, 480 00:25:11,011 --> 00:25:12,429 and that just feels like home. 481 00:25:12,513 --> 00:25:14,806 I was wondering when you were gonna show up. 482 00:25:16,141 --> 00:25:17,142 (SPEAKING WAKANDAN) 483 00:25:17,809 --> 00:25:20,687 NAGELHOUT: It was really important, specifically to Kari 484 00:25:20,771 --> 00:25:23,857 and to the rest of us as well, that the actors have an opportunity 485 00:25:23,941 --> 00:25:27,361 to feel the location and to be there in real life. 486 00:25:27,444 --> 00:25:29,947 We had planned to go to Puerto Rico for part of the shoot, 487 00:25:30,030 --> 00:25:33,784 to give the show a bit more scope because we were based out of Atlanta. 488 00:25:33,867 --> 00:25:36,245 And, unfortunately, Puerto Rico went through 489 00:25:36,328 --> 00:25:39,623 quite a sizeable earthquake that really damaged their infrastructure. 490 00:25:39,706 --> 00:25:43,752 Our plan was still to go to Puerto Rico even after the first earthquake 491 00:25:43,836 --> 00:25:47,172 because we had done a ton of research as to the seismic activity in the area. 492 00:25:47,256 --> 00:25:50,843 We knew we could get our crews in and out quickly if we had to. 493 00:25:50,926 --> 00:25:54,805 And, frankly, in talking with the experts, even I was comfortable saying, 494 00:25:54,888 --> 00:25:57,140 "Yeah, I'll go. I'll go with the crew." 495 00:25:57,224 --> 00:26:01,311 Because, to me, if I'm willing to go, that means something. 496 00:26:01,395 --> 00:26:03,939 If I'm not willing to go, but I'm gonna send other people, 497 00:26:04,064 --> 00:26:05,774 that's not a choice we should be making. 498 00:26:06,733 --> 00:26:08,735 We had prepped the crew to go to Puerto Rico 499 00:26:08,819 --> 00:26:10,487 in spite of the first earthquake, 500 00:26:10,571 --> 00:26:13,031 and on the eve of going, they had a second earthquake. 501 00:26:13,115 --> 00:26:15,534 It came to the point where, between all of us, 502 00:26:15,617 --> 00:26:18,120 we weren't comfortable sending anybody down there 503 00:26:18,203 --> 00:26:21,456 and we wanted to bring our crew home because we just didn't know. 504 00:26:21,540 --> 00:26:24,168 So, we brought everybody back. 505 00:26:24,251 --> 00:26:27,254 Right as we brought everybody back, 506 00:26:27,337 --> 00:26:29,673 we regrouped, said "Where can we go now?" 507 00:26:29,756 --> 00:26:31,216 We had planned Prague, 508 00:26:31,300 --> 00:26:33,177 moved it to the end of the schedule 509 00:26:33,260 --> 00:26:35,846 to replace the work we were gonna do in Puerto Rico. 510 00:26:35,929 --> 00:26:37,973 NAGELHOUT: We actually made it to Prague. 511 00:26:38,056 --> 00:26:40,475 We pulled off what seemed to be the impossible. 512 00:26:40,559 --> 00:26:41,935 We were having a great shoot, 513 00:26:42,019 --> 00:26:46,064 we were getting a lot of great locations and performances. 514 00:26:46,148 --> 00:26:48,400 And about a week into our time in Prague, 515 00:26:48,483 --> 00:26:51,278 you know, the pandemic hit, 516 00:26:51,361 --> 00:26:53,322 or became very real, 517 00:26:53,405 --> 00:26:55,574 and caused us to shut down. 518 00:26:55,657 --> 00:27:00,954 And, frankly, the bigger fear at that time was that we would be stuck. 519 00:27:01,038 --> 00:27:04,082 We called our line producer at 2:00 in the morning for her, and said, 520 00:27:04,166 --> 00:27:07,252 "We're getting everybody on flights out of Prague at 5:00 a.m. 521 00:27:07,336 --> 00:27:09,004 "You guys are leaving from 5:00 a.m. 522 00:27:09,087 --> 00:27:11,381 "We're gonna start calling every crew member 523 00:27:11,465 --> 00:27:13,926 "to tell them to get their stuff together. 524 00:27:14,009 --> 00:27:16,803 "We're gonna get everybody on flights. 525 00:27:16,887 --> 00:27:19,681 "By 9:00 a.m., everybody's gonna be on these flights." 526 00:27:19,765 --> 00:27:23,602 We had about 100 people there from the US and we started flying people back. 527 00:27:23,685 --> 00:27:28,106 Shutting down for COVID was a big part of the struggle of the show. 528 00:27:28,190 --> 00:27:30,025 We're glad we did, it was the right thing. 529 00:27:30,108 --> 00:27:32,736 And it, weirdly, gave us more time editorially 530 00:27:32,819 --> 00:27:34,738 to really think about what the show could be. 531 00:27:34,821 --> 00:27:38,492 But it also was something we'd never had to fight through before. 532 00:27:38,575 --> 00:27:41,286 And it's a credit to our crew that they stuck with us, 533 00:27:41,370 --> 00:27:42,871 continued to make the show. 534 00:27:42,955 --> 00:27:44,206 They were so invested. 535 00:27:44,289 --> 00:27:45,832 Even when we came back 536 00:27:45,916 --> 00:27:48,919 and COVID, obviously, was still and is still an issue, 537 00:27:49,002 --> 00:27:51,964 to figure out how to mount the show safely, 538 00:27:52,047 --> 00:27:55,133 and to travel internationally safely was a challenge. 539 00:27:55,217 --> 00:27:57,594 But it was a challenge worth doing 540 00:27:57,678 --> 00:28:00,973 because I know that it makes the show feel bigger. 541 00:28:03,684 --> 00:28:06,979 SKOGLAND: I have to say, it gave us a certain kind of energy, 542 00:28:07,062 --> 00:28:09,940 which was bonding. 543 00:28:10,023 --> 00:28:13,819 You know, it's a big crew with lots of personalities. 544 00:28:13,902 --> 00:28:19,616 And so, when we're all up against such extraordinary circumstances, 545 00:28:19,700 --> 00:28:23,912 it creates a brother and sisterhood that is, I think, a bit extraordinary. 546 00:28:23,996 --> 00:28:26,582 -(BOTH CHEERING) -(ALL APPLAUDING) 547 00:28:26,665 --> 00:28:28,959 Over the next, obviously, eight months, 548 00:28:29,042 --> 00:28:33,088 all we were doing with Disney is trying to come together with a task force 549 00:28:33,172 --> 00:28:36,300 as to how we could restart things, and when we'll be able to start. 550 00:28:36,383 --> 00:28:38,177 We knew we had to go back to Prague. Right? 551 00:28:38,260 --> 00:28:39,970 (LAUGHS) We hadn't finished in Prague. 552 00:28:40,053 --> 00:28:43,307 We had to figure out how to make the Prague government, 553 00:28:43,390 --> 00:28:46,852 the Czech government comfortable with an American crew coming into Prague. 554 00:28:46,935 --> 00:28:49,563 Because, frankly, Prague didn't have the same incidents of COVID 555 00:28:49,646 --> 00:28:51,356 that we did at the time. 556 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:52,941 Our scouting had to be virtual. 557 00:28:53,025 --> 00:28:55,861 We couldn't have people flying back and forth. 558 00:28:55,944 --> 00:28:57,738 But our team rallied around 559 00:28:57,821 --> 00:28:59,865 and figured out how to mount this production. 560 00:28:59,948 --> 00:29:03,243 You know, I will say, a credit to the writers as well, 561 00:29:03,327 --> 00:29:06,079 because as you're writing, you're writing to a specific location, 562 00:29:06,163 --> 00:29:08,040 which is gonna dictate a specific story 563 00:29:08,123 --> 00:29:10,209 to get you into Puerto Rico and then into Prague, 564 00:29:10,292 --> 00:29:12,461 and you have to be nimble as storytellers. 565 00:29:12,544 --> 00:29:15,172 And in Kari Skogland's case, as a filmmaker, 566 00:29:15,255 --> 00:29:17,424 to visually get your head into this new place, 567 00:29:17,508 --> 00:29:21,011 and to figure out how to make it work with the stuff that we shot in Atlanta 568 00:29:21,094 --> 00:29:24,765 that, frankly, was meant to match with what we were gonna do in Puerto Rico. 569 00:29:24,848 --> 00:29:26,642 There was a lot of thinking that went into 570 00:29:26,725 --> 00:29:29,144 how to adjust our entire production plan 571 00:29:29,228 --> 00:29:31,188 to fit the realities of the world, 572 00:29:31,271 --> 00:29:33,315 but a credit to the crew for figuring it out. 573 00:29:34,525 --> 00:29:37,903 Do we want to live in a world full of people like the Red Skull? 574 00:29:40,072 --> 00:29:41,949 That is why we're going to Madripoor. 575 00:29:42,032 --> 00:29:45,827 What's up with Madripoor? You talk about it like it's Skull Island. 576 00:29:52,501 --> 00:29:54,962 BRÜHL: We are in Madripoor. 577 00:29:55,045 --> 00:29:58,257 Dangerous, dodgy, lawless place 578 00:29:58,340 --> 00:30:01,385 where Zemo has arranged a meeting with Selby, 579 00:30:01,468 --> 00:30:03,428 who's gonna give us, hopefully, 580 00:30:03,512 --> 00:30:06,056 precious information about the super-soldier serum. 581 00:30:06,139 --> 00:30:08,559 -Now that's the Zemo I remember. -Hmm. 582 00:30:08,642 --> 00:30:11,687 I'm glad I decided not to kill you immediately. 583 00:30:11,812 --> 00:30:14,231 We have to come here and it's not... 584 00:30:14,314 --> 00:30:17,276 We didn't get a warm welcome. Let's put it that way. 585 00:30:17,359 --> 00:30:18,944 -And it's impressive to see... -(THUDS) 586 00:30:19,027 --> 00:30:20,320 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 587 00:30:20,404 --> 00:30:22,614 You see? That's what happens in Madripoor. 588 00:30:22,698 --> 00:30:23,907 High Town's that way. 589 00:30:23,991 --> 00:30:27,494 Not a bad place if you wanna visit, but Low Town's the other way. 590 00:30:29,621 --> 00:30:32,749 Let me guess. We don't have any friends in High Town. 591 00:30:36,003 --> 00:30:39,423 SKOGLAND: Ray Chan, our production designer, is extraordinary, 592 00:30:39,506 --> 00:30:42,759 and we looked for months, I have to tell you. 593 00:30:42,843 --> 00:30:48,682 And one day, we're standing in a back alley of a series of crossroads, 594 00:30:48,765 --> 00:30:51,518 and we looked at each other and I said, "Do you think?" 595 00:30:51,602 --> 00:30:53,187 And he said, "I think I could." 596 00:30:53,270 --> 00:30:55,898 And I... "Okay. Oh, my goodness." 597 00:30:55,981 --> 00:30:58,275 We started looking around and mapping it out. 598 00:30:58,358 --> 00:31:00,277 And he came up with Madripoor 599 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:04,072 in a series of back alleys in a small town outside of Atlanta. 600 00:31:05,157 --> 00:31:07,117 RAYMOND CHAN: We want to feel the back street, 601 00:31:07,201 --> 00:31:08,660 it needs to be more gritty. 602 00:31:08,744 --> 00:31:12,331 Needs to feel more lawless. It's a lawless society. 603 00:31:12,414 --> 00:31:15,876 Soon as we walked into this street, it clearly was empty, 604 00:31:15,959 --> 00:31:18,545 it was just a two, three, half a dozen buildings, 605 00:31:18,629 --> 00:31:20,297 of just red brick buildings, 606 00:31:20,380 --> 00:31:21,673 I thought, "This was tight. 607 00:31:21,757 --> 00:31:24,176 "It felt claustrophobic. What can I do with it?" 608 00:31:26,970 --> 00:31:28,388 Several months of research, 609 00:31:28,472 --> 00:31:32,184 and we found this back street in Hanoi, in Vietnam, 610 00:31:32,267 --> 00:31:36,271 where the homeowners would step out of their back doors, 611 00:31:36,355 --> 00:31:37,648 and there was this rail track 612 00:31:37,731 --> 00:31:40,442 running literally two feet away from their back door. 613 00:31:40,526 --> 00:31:44,112 I thought that would be an interesting concept to bring to this street. 614 00:31:44,196 --> 00:31:48,242 And having traveled the world, I thought this is quite iconic, 615 00:31:48,325 --> 00:31:50,577 a bridge that I used to cross in Mozambique, 616 00:31:50,702 --> 00:31:52,204 this heavy industry bridge. 617 00:31:52,287 --> 00:31:56,208 So I married part of Mozambique and a bit of Vietnam. 618 00:31:56,291 --> 00:31:57,751 ZEMO: Here we are. 619 00:31:58,377 --> 00:31:59,670 (SPEAKING RUSSIAN) 620 00:32:02,881 --> 00:32:05,259 CHAN: (IN ENGLISH) This is called the Brass Monkey Bar. 621 00:32:05,342 --> 00:32:08,846 It's an open bar. You can see the stars through the ceiling. 622 00:32:08,929 --> 00:32:11,557 We thought we would look at it with the fixtures 623 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:13,100 being able to give enough light, 624 00:32:13,183 --> 00:32:15,102 and, you know, not to light the set, 625 00:32:15,185 --> 00:32:17,312 but to have a cool ceiling, a geometric ceiling. 626 00:32:17,396 --> 00:32:22,150 Here, to your left, are these crazy monkey skulls. 627 00:32:22,234 --> 00:32:23,610 My art director, Jennifer, 628 00:32:23,694 --> 00:32:27,823 she scoured the Internet, and we purchased three skulls, 629 00:32:27,906 --> 00:32:28,907 I think from memory, 630 00:32:28,991 --> 00:32:31,660 and we sent them to our staff shop, which they cast, 631 00:32:31,743 --> 00:32:34,246 I think, about 115 or 120 skulls. 632 00:32:34,329 --> 00:32:37,791 And yeah, so that's a homage to The Brass Monkey. 633 00:32:41,170 --> 00:32:43,672 BARTENDER: Wasn't expecting you, Smiling Tiger. 634 00:32:43,755 --> 00:32:44,923 His plans changed. 635 00:32:45,007 --> 00:32:48,552 CROW: Anthony's character, Sam, is very straight-laced. 636 00:32:48,635 --> 00:32:52,222 We play him as very, sort of, conservative dressed. 637 00:32:52,306 --> 00:32:54,766 His clothes are, sort of, every day, every man. 638 00:32:54,850 --> 00:32:58,687 I mean, we did do some crazy stuff with him on this show, 639 00:32:58,770 --> 00:33:00,022 the wild African suit, 640 00:33:00,105 --> 00:33:02,649 and he was totally game to go for it. 641 00:33:02,733 --> 00:33:04,026 MAN: Cut. MACKIE: Whoo! 642 00:33:04,109 --> 00:33:06,111 I'm on. Let's roll again. I'm on! 643 00:33:08,739 --> 00:33:11,909 Sebastian is great to work with 'cause he gets into the character, 644 00:33:11,992 --> 00:33:15,078 and wants to know why are we picking these things. 645 00:33:15,162 --> 00:33:19,041 And because he's sort of newly in the modern world, 646 00:33:19,124 --> 00:33:25,422 I tried to make it feel as classic and vintage as we could. 647 00:33:28,509 --> 00:33:31,053 Image-wise, it makes it very interesting 648 00:33:31,136 --> 00:33:34,765 to see these three guys dressing up in a very different way. 649 00:33:34,848 --> 00:33:37,309 We have to do something about this. I look like a pimp. 650 00:33:37,392 --> 00:33:41,355 BRÜHL: It was fun to have these couple of scenes with the full outfit, you know, 651 00:33:41,438 --> 00:33:42,940 with that incredible coat. 652 00:33:43,023 --> 00:33:44,525 We had a lot of fun developing it. 653 00:33:44,608 --> 00:33:50,197 You know, it's kind of based on a World War II Russian military, 654 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,157 Polish military overcoat, 655 00:33:52,241 --> 00:33:57,955 and then we tried to make it a little comic book-inspired on top of that. 656 00:33:58,038 --> 00:34:00,707 Yesterday, I had a day off, and I went to a comic shop 657 00:34:00,791 --> 00:34:04,253 to see if I could find some covers of Zemo. 658 00:34:04,336 --> 00:34:06,922 So I got myself a couple of comic books with Zemo. 659 00:34:07,005 --> 00:34:10,759 And it's just great to finally look like him in the comics. 660 00:34:11,593 --> 00:34:14,221 Hello, guys. Do you like my style? 661 00:34:14,888 --> 00:34:18,308 You can have it as well. Suitkovia. 662 00:34:18,392 --> 00:34:23,230 We offer elegant clothes, but also casual clothes. 663 00:34:23,313 --> 00:34:28,360 Pajamas, sweaters, T-shirt, socks, sneakers, everything. 664 00:34:28,443 --> 00:34:29,570 (SPEAKS RUSSIAN) 665 00:34:29,653 --> 00:34:35,158 (IN ENGLISH) Come and visit us in Sokovia. Check out Suitkovia. 666 00:34:39,621 --> 00:34:40,622 MAN: Cut. 667 00:34:40,706 --> 00:34:42,833 (ALL LAUGHING) 668 00:34:45,419 --> 00:34:49,089 We created this marvelous space for our characters to be off-grid. 669 00:34:49,173 --> 00:34:50,757 WOMAN: Well, this is too perfect. 670 00:34:53,844 --> 00:34:55,053 Drop it, Zemo. 671 00:34:56,138 --> 00:34:57,139 Sharon? 672 00:34:57,222 --> 00:35:00,267 SKOGLAND: After a series of mishaps with the S.H.I.E.L.D. and such, 673 00:35:00,350 --> 00:35:04,146 she has had to go to a place where you can live with impunity. 674 00:35:04,229 --> 00:35:08,066 I also took the wings for your ass so that you can save his ass from his ass. 675 00:35:08,650 --> 00:35:11,320 Unlike you, I didn't have the Avengers to back me up. 676 00:35:11,403 --> 00:35:13,071 So I'm off the grid in Madripoor. 677 00:35:13,155 --> 00:35:15,616 Bringing back Sharon Carter was something that we explored 678 00:35:15,699 --> 00:35:17,075 even in Avengers three and four. 679 00:35:17,159 --> 00:35:19,870 And the truth was there were so many characters in those films, 680 00:35:19,953 --> 00:35:22,206 you couldn't really do her character justice, 681 00:35:22,289 --> 00:35:24,249 nor where we had left her in Civil War. 682 00:35:24,333 --> 00:35:28,253 And interestingly enough, divorcing her from her relationship with Steve Rogers 683 00:35:28,337 --> 00:35:31,131 actually allowed us to explore a different side of the character. 684 00:35:31,215 --> 00:35:35,010 Because now, she doesn't have to be the white hat who is only good. 685 00:35:35,093 --> 00:35:37,971 Now, we can explore what happened to her as a result of Civil War, 686 00:35:38,055 --> 00:35:40,140 and some of the more morally gray choices 687 00:35:40,224 --> 00:35:42,100 she's had to make to survive in the universe. 688 00:35:42,184 --> 00:35:44,394 SHARON: At some point, I thought if I had to hustle, 689 00:35:44,478 --> 00:35:46,438 might as well enjoy the life of a real hustler. 690 00:35:46,522 --> 00:35:48,357 You know how much I can get for a real Monet? 691 00:35:49,858 --> 00:35:52,402 Just a little bit tougher, a little raw, you know, 692 00:35:52,486 --> 00:35:53,904 rough around the edges. 693 00:35:53,987 --> 00:35:57,366 A totally different version of Sharon than we've seen in the films. 694 00:35:59,826 --> 00:36:02,037 VANCAMP: There's so much about this that I've loved. 695 00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:06,959 I got to do, physically, a lot of stuff in this one that... 696 00:36:07,042 --> 00:36:09,336 It's always nice to get back into your body and... 697 00:36:09,419 --> 00:36:12,381 I used to be a dancer, so doing fight training was a lot of fun. 698 00:36:12,464 --> 00:36:14,883 There you go. Feel that angle? Good. You got it. 699 00:36:14,967 --> 00:36:16,426 WOMAN: There you go. MAN: Good. There you go. 700 00:36:16,510 --> 00:36:19,847 One thing we thought was interesting was positioning Sharon Carter 701 00:36:19,930 --> 00:36:22,599 as somebody who you think is naturally altruistic, 702 00:36:22,683 --> 00:36:24,852 but building the mythology of this Power Broker 703 00:36:24,935 --> 00:36:26,478 who also plays in Madripoor, 704 00:36:26,562 --> 00:36:28,480 a new corner of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. 705 00:36:28,564 --> 00:36:30,566 The mystery of who the Power Broker is, 706 00:36:30,649 --> 00:36:33,068 we hope is satisfyingly revealed in episode six. 707 00:36:33,151 --> 00:36:34,361 Drop your weapon, Karli. 708 00:36:35,571 --> 00:36:36,989 SPELLMAN: I thought for sure 709 00:36:37,072 --> 00:36:39,408 the Power Broker storyline was not gonna work. 710 00:36:39,491 --> 00:36:41,618 Sometimes, we would be too heavy-handed. 711 00:36:41,702 --> 00:36:43,579 You're like, "Nah, we see it coming." 712 00:36:43,662 --> 00:36:45,414 And sometimes, it would be too thin. 713 00:36:45,497 --> 00:36:48,792 And then, the more we start to work on it, 714 00:36:48,876 --> 00:36:50,252 you're like, "Oh, this is great." 715 00:36:50,335 --> 00:36:52,504 Come back and work for me again. All of you. 716 00:36:52,588 --> 00:36:54,298 We can make a difference together. 717 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,426 You just want me because you need your muscle back. 718 00:36:57,509 --> 00:37:01,305 Without us Super Soldiers, how much power does the Power Broker really have? 719 00:37:03,015 --> 00:37:04,224 More than you. 720 00:37:04,308 --> 00:37:08,520 MOORE: We knew we needed an antagonist to challenge the notion of symbols 721 00:37:08,604 --> 00:37:10,314 and ideology in the show. 722 00:37:10,397 --> 00:37:12,900 And the Flag Smasher from the comics, Karl Morgenthau, 723 00:37:12,983 --> 00:37:16,069 is much different, visually and in conceit, 724 00:37:16,153 --> 00:37:18,155 than Karli Morgenthau is in the MCU. 725 00:37:18,238 --> 00:37:20,365 But the root of that character is the same. 726 00:37:21,992 --> 00:37:24,036 You're becoming a bit of a legend. 727 00:37:24,119 --> 00:37:27,039 I hear more and more people talk about the freedom fighters 728 00:37:27,122 --> 00:37:28,207 who are pushing back. 729 00:37:28,290 --> 00:37:32,044 Nothing in this show works without Erin Kellyman. 730 00:37:33,045 --> 00:37:37,007 SKOGLAND: What we were looking for was kind of that innocent face that she has. 731 00:37:37,591 --> 00:37:40,594 I wanted her to be unexpected. 732 00:37:40,677 --> 00:37:41,970 You okay? 733 00:37:45,140 --> 00:37:49,102 It had to be someone who, besides being instantly likable, 734 00:37:49,186 --> 00:37:53,148 was someone who, in her eyes, has the resolve 735 00:37:53,232 --> 00:37:57,819 and the toughness of having had, perhaps, a background 736 00:37:57,903 --> 00:38:00,280 that is written in her face. 737 00:38:01,114 --> 00:38:03,075 It doesn't have to be a war, Karli. 738 00:38:03,158 --> 00:38:06,870 They started a war when they kicked us out of our new homes and onto the street. 739 00:38:06,954 --> 00:38:09,331 People all around the world need me. Millions of them. 740 00:38:09,414 --> 00:38:11,750 I can't speak for millions, but I understand you. 741 00:38:14,628 --> 00:38:18,257 Can't have a hero and a villain in the room together, 742 00:38:18,340 --> 00:38:21,176 having a conversation, and be honest 743 00:38:21,260 --> 00:38:23,971 unless it is earned at every level. 744 00:38:24,054 --> 00:38:26,473 And the first level is the actor. 745 00:38:26,557 --> 00:38:29,393 I'm trying to figure out if I need to kill your brother. 746 00:38:31,436 --> 00:38:32,604 I thought I could trust him. 747 00:38:32,688 --> 00:38:36,733 I'd had, like, a few FaceTimes with Kari and Zoie. 748 00:38:37,192 --> 00:38:39,486 But obviously, you can't put anything on that. 749 00:38:39,570 --> 00:38:41,572 So when I got told that I got it, I was like, 750 00:38:41,655 --> 00:38:44,366 (CHUCKLES) "This is gonna be wild." 751 00:38:44,449 --> 00:38:46,994 Like, I think it didn't sink in straightaway. 752 00:38:47,077 --> 00:38:49,121 I don't even feel like it's fully sunk in now. 753 00:38:49,204 --> 00:38:50,205 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 754 00:38:50,289 --> 00:38:51,790 Oh, it's very dramatic. (CHUCKLES) 755 00:38:51,874 --> 00:38:54,126 KELLYMAN: I knew that it was a comic character, 756 00:38:54,209 --> 00:38:56,003 so I'd done like a bunch of research. 757 00:38:56,086 --> 00:38:58,213 When I realized it was a guy, I was like, okay, 758 00:38:58,297 --> 00:39:01,425 this is pretty sick that, first of all, they've turned him into a girl. 759 00:39:01,508 --> 00:39:02,885 The movement is ready. 760 00:39:04,887 --> 00:39:06,346 They're not going to stop. 761 00:39:07,055 --> 00:39:08,265 Not unless we make them. 762 00:39:08,348 --> 00:39:10,893 KELLYMAN: In the comics, in the research that I did, 763 00:39:10,976 --> 00:39:14,980 it was kind of more pressing towards a villain. 764 00:39:15,063 --> 00:39:19,318 And now that I've kind of got the scripts and understand her a little more, 765 00:39:19,401 --> 00:39:22,029 I know that it's all out of a good place. You know? 766 00:39:22,112 --> 00:39:24,156 Do you remember how scared we were when we took the serum? 767 00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,158 DOVICH: (SNIFFLES) Yeah, don't think I'll forget that. 768 00:39:26,241 --> 00:39:28,202 (BLOWS) Felt like my veins were on fire. 769 00:39:30,245 --> 00:39:31,830 I prayed it'd kill me. 770 00:39:34,374 --> 00:39:35,375 But it was worth it. 771 00:39:36,710 --> 00:39:40,339 SPELLMAN: In constructing the character, we were like, "Let's make her a kid." 772 00:39:40,422 --> 00:39:45,969 And, "Let's make her tap into the spirit of how people feel today." 773 00:39:46,053 --> 00:39:48,847 And even though the pandemic hadn't hit yet, 774 00:39:48,931 --> 00:39:53,727 that all just exacerbated a feeling folks were having. 775 00:39:53,810 --> 00:39:56,772 And if you're Black, you've been having it your whole life, 776 00:39:56,855 --> 00:39:59,107 which is, the game is rigged, 777 00:39:59,566 --> 00:40:03,612 the people who are at the top are becoming irresponsible. 778 00:40:03,695 --> 00:40:05,656 We accept that the game is rigged, 779 00:40:05,739 --> 00:40:09,993 but now, they're getting irresponsible in how much they're taking from us, 780 00:40:10,077 --> 00:40:12,412 and people just have to push back. 781 00:40:12,496 --> 00:40:15,541 And we wrote Karli as a hero. 782 00:40:15,624 --> 00:40:17,876 She is a hero that goes bad. 783 00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:19,211 I don't wanna hurt you. 784 00:40:20,003 --> 00:40:22,589 You're just a tool in the regimes I'm looking to destroy. 785 00:40:23,382 --> 00:40:24,800 You're not hiding behind a shield. 786 00:40:24,883 --> 00:40:26,385 MOORE: The legacy of Steve Rogers is 787 00:40:26,468 --> 00:40:29,346 people have always tried to recreate that serum 788 00:40:29,429 --> 00:40:30,806 and it has never gone well. 789 00:40:30,889 --> 00:40:34,268 You can ask Bruce Banner, who, to some degree, became the Hulk 790 00:40:34,351 --> 00:40:35,936 because General Thaddeus Ross 791 00:40:36,019 --> 00:40:38,355 wanted to develop his own super-soldier serum. 792 00:40:38,438 --> 00:40:41,108 Steve has always been the pinnacle of what should be. 793 00:40:41,191 --> 00:40:45,112 We thought it was interesting, again, in dealing with the legacy of the shield 794 00:40:45,195 --> 00:40:47,406 to see what happens if somebody successfully 795 00:40:47,489 --> 00:40:50,325 did figure out how to break the super-soldier serum code, 796 00:40:50,409 --> 00:40:52,911 and who those Super Soldiers then become. 797 00:40:52,995 --> 00:40:54,830 It doesn't even matter if we die. 798 00:40:54,913 --> 00:40:57,541 The movement is strong enough to continue without us. 799 00:40:57,624 --> 00:41:00,752 MOORE: And I think that's what makes the Flag Smashers so interesting. 800 00:41:00,836 --> 00:41:04,882 Is you get to explore the different side of what happens when people 801 00:41:04,965 --> 00:41:07,926 who, frankly, sometimes are downtrodden or overlooked 802 00:41:08,010 --> 00:41:10,387 are given power that they don't typically have. 803 00:41:11,346 --> 00:41:13,557 -KARLI: You shouldn't have come here. -(GRUNTS) 804 00:41:14,433 --> 00:41:15,809 We're in episode 102. 805 00:41:15,893 --> 00:41:19,438 And this is the first time that Sam and Bucky 806 00:41:19,521 --> 00:41:22,900 have fought beside each other, and they're not doing terribly well. 807 00:41:22,983 --> 00:41:24,860 Good of you to join the fight, Sam! 808 00:41:24,943 --> 00:41:26,028 (GRUNTS) 809 00:41:26,111 --> 00:41:27,696 -Punch, kick, punch, punch! -(ALL LAUGHING) 810 00:41:27,779 --> 00:41:31,074 And John Walker arrives kind of out of the blue. 811 00:41:31,158 --> 00:41:33,118 John Walker, Captain America. 812 00:41:33,202 --> 00:41:36,079 -Lemar Hoskins. -Looks like you guys could use some help. 813 00:41:36,163 --> 00:41:38,457 SKOGLAND: First time they see him in action. 814 00:41:38,540 --> 00:41:44,004 And so it's his first action beat as well as Captain America with Lemar. 815 00:41:44,087 --> 00:41:46,715 And the whole thing is a complete cluster. 816 00:41:50,135 --> 00:41:53,555 Then on top of it, they're facing Super Soldiers 817 00:41:53,639 --> 00:41:57,017 and they are completely overwhelmed with what that is. 818 00:41:57,100 --> 00:41:58,435 STAN: No! 819 00:41:59,978 --> 00:42:02,481 SKOGLAND: We started dreaming up this sequence, 820 00:42:02,564 --> 00:42:06,235 I would say, about eight months ago. 821 00:42:06,818 --> 00:42:09,530 And we had little toy cars and little toy trucks, 822 00:42:09,613 --> 00:42:11,782 and, we went through, I don't know, 823 00:42:11,865 --> 00:42:17,746 probably 12 or 15 different versions of this sequence, 824 00:42:17,829 --> 00:42:21,959 because it was so difficult to achieve on the one hand 825 00:42:22,042 --> 00:42:24,795 to imagine on the other, with this many people 826 00:42:24,878 --> 00:42:28,048 dealing with all the various elements that one has to deal with. 827 00:42:28,715 --> 00:42:30,592 The truck sequence was always challenging. 828 00:42:30,676 --> 00:42:33,011 Mostly because they all need to stay on the trucks. 829 00:42:33,095 --> 00:42:34,763 No one can fall off the truck. 830 00:42:34,847 --> 00:42:36,598 No one can get back on the truck. 831 00:42:36,682 --> 00:42:38,892 Falcon can fly around a bit, but for the most part, 832 00:42:39,017 --> 00:42:41,436 just the design of it, it was a very challenging design. 833 00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:44,606 We had fake trucks that were four feet off the ground 834 00:42:44,690 --> 00:42:46,859 and they could be moved around on air a bit, 835 00:42:46,942 --> 00:42:48,569 we had people fighting on those. 836 00:42:48,652 --> 00:42:49,820 Then we got real trucks 837 00:42:49,903 --> 00:42:53,782 and we had a couple of shots with people fighting on real trucks, but not many. 838 00:42:53,866 --> 00:42:55,200 We're shooting in Atlanta. 839 00:42:55,284 --> 00:42:57,786 We shot plates of a road that we thought 840 00:42:57,870 --> 00:43:00,539 might be able to double for some part of Germany. 841 00:43:00,622 --> 00:43:03,625 Then it became clear that, Atlanta does not look like Germany. 842 00:43:03,709 --> 00:43:05,919 So, what was a bunch of guys on a blue screen 843 00:43:06,003 --> 00:43:07,754 that we're gonna replace the background, 844 00:43:07,838 --> 00:43:09,965 now becomes a complete digital environment. 845 00:43:10,048 --> 00:43:13,760 So, digital mountains in the background, all sorts of German trees. 846 00:43:13,844 --> 00:43:15,554 Everything needed to be touched. 847 00:43:16,722 --> 00:43:21,018 Bucky is hanging onto the side of a truck with spinning wheels right by his head 848 00:43:21,101 --> 00:43:24,062 that are completely digital. The road is completely digital. 849 00:43:24,563 --> 00:43:28,942 There's a shot where Walker falls off the back of the truck in Atlanta 850 00:43:29,026 --> 00:43:31,528 and then we cut to him getting up in Prague. 851 00:43:31,612 --> 00:43:35,115 We need to make both of those things match and both look like Germany. 852 00:43:35,657 --> 00:43:38,660 Adding digital cars and digital trees, make everything match, 853 00:43:38,744 --> 00:43:39,912 it was kind of amazing. 854 00:43:41,371 --> 00:43:43,207 (BOTH GRUNTING) 855 00:43:44,458 --> 00:43:46,585 -(GROANS) -Could have used that shield. 856 00:43:48,378 --> 00:43:50,797 SKOGLAND: When starting any series, you wanna kick off 857 00:43:50,881 --> 00:43:55,260 with as much promise of what the series is going to be as possible. 858 00:43:56,136 --> 00:43:58,931 WATERSON: We had to say, "What don't we know that Falcon can do? 859 00:43:59,014 --> 00:44:02,476 "What are some cool other things that the Falcon we know he can do 860 00:44:02,559 --> 00:44:04,228 "that we haven't seen before?" 861 00:44:06,730 --> 00:44:10,192 NAGELHOUT: Part of the mandate is, all right, well, if we're gonna do Falcon 862 00:44:10,275 --> 00:44:13,946 as a titular character finally, he's gotta have the best Falcon action. 863 00:44:15,322 --> 00:44:19,076 SKOGLAND: I think the opening action sequence, kind of, took us down that path 864 00:44:19,159 --> 00:44:21,828 in the sense of a, just a, "Holy cow." 865 00:44:22,371 --> 00:44:24,957 If we get to the border, he's not gonna follow. 866 00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:26,542 -(CLICKING) -What's up? 867 00:44:28,418 --> 00:44:32,422 We spent a long time on this sequence. This sequence was always part of the show. 868 00:44:32,506 --> 00:44:34,132 It moved around parts of the show 869 00:44:34,216 --> 00:44:36,218 and it was supposed to be this amazing thing. 870 00:44:37,594 --> 00:44:39,805 Like any sequence we start with pre-vis 871 00:44:39,888 --> 00:44:43,225 and we work through the blocking based on storyboards that have been done. 872 00:44:43,308 --> 00:44:46,979 And then we looked at the pre-vis, like, "Okay, how are we gonna do this?" 873 00:44:47,604 --> 00:44:50,065 NAGELHOUT: One of the things that we did was actually, 874 00:44:50,148 --> 00:44:52,276 we shot a group of skydivers. 875 00:44:52,359 --> 00:44:54,778 And so, we had all this great reference material. 876 00:44:58,240 --> 00:45:01,118 LEVEN: We have, literally, the world's best wingsuit fliers 877 00:45:01,201 --> 00:45:03,453 who are ready to do this stuff for us 878 00:45:03,537 --> 00:45:06,206 and get these shots that no one has ever seen before. 879 00:45:06,290 --> 00:45:08,166 Everyone was really excited about it. 880 00:45:08,250 --> 00:45:11,044 We spent several days pushing people out of planes 881 00:45:11,128 --> 00:45:15,007 and getting all those suits... (CHUCKLES) Those wingsuits are all real. 882 00:45:15,090 --> 00:45:17,843 And we were inspired by a team that does that, you know, 883 00:45:17,926 --> 00:45:19,094 flies through canyons. 884 00:45:22,014 --> 00:45:25,350 MOORE: They all had Blackmagic cameras that we were able to mount on them, 885 00:45:25,434 --> 00:45:27,144 and then had head-mounted cameras. 886 00:45:27,227 --> 00:45:29,813 There are a few shots from that skydiving shoot 887 00:45:29,897 --> 00:45:31,523 that made it into the sequence. 888 00:45:31,607 --> 00:45:34,109 So, you get those pops of real that, I think, 889 00:45:34,193 --> 00:45:37,237 help with the suspension of disbelief for the audience. 890 00:45:38,530 --> 00:45:40,365 And, you know, we had Mackie on wires. 891 00:45:40,449 --> 00:45:42,117 I could do a Will Smith one. 892 00:45:42,201 --> 00:45:45,329 -I can go for what, "Sweet Jesus!" -(ALL LAUGHING) 893 00:45:45,412 --> 00:45:48,665 NAGELHOUT: We had real Mackie, you know, folded in wherever we could. 894 00:45:55,047 --> 00:45:58,175 Most of the helicopters were CG. We did have a buck, 895 00:45:58,258 --> 00:46:00,552 like a helicopter buck, for the interior work, 896 00:46:00,636 --> 00:46:03,305 'cause obviously, the actors have to interact with something 897 00:46:03,388 --> 00:46:04,890 but we even replaced the buck 898 00:46:04,973 --> 00:46:07,392 because it was a very specific kind of helicopter 899 00:46:07,476 --> 00:46:09,937 that we wanted to see in the sequence that would fit 900 00:46:10,020 --> 00:46:12,481 the storytelling of the villains in that sequence. 901 00:46:14,525 --> 00:46:17,236 And that's a huge testament to our visual effects team, 902 00:46:17,319 --> 00:46:21,240 to Victoria, to Eric Levin. It's a pretty amazing thing. 903 00:46:21,323 --> 00:46:23,158 For me the most impressive thing about it 904 00:46:23,242 --> 00:46:26,578 was being able to mix all the different techniques that we have. 905 00:46:26,662 --> 00:46:30,374 You know, it's one thing to have a fully animated CG landscape 906 00:46:30,457 --> 00:46:32,209 and make it look as photo-real as possible. 907 00:46:32,292 --> 00:46:34,962 But making sure that we do have close-ups of Anthony Mackie, 908 00:46:35,045 --> 00:46:37,923 a couple shots of him flying on wires and the stunt guys. 909 00:46:38,006 --> 00:46:40,300 And the aerial guys jumping out of airplanes. 910 00:46:41,093 --> 00:46:43,512 Having enough sort of realistic stuff 911 00:46:43,595 --> 00:46:46,390 so when you put it together, you're not sure how we did anything. 912 00:46:46,473 --> 00:46:48,141 We gotta find another way! 913 00:46:48,225 --> 00:46:49,476 I just did. 914 00:46:54,940 --> 00:46:56,275 (GRUNTS) 915 00:46:59,778 --> 00:47:01,405 MOORE: The idea is to make it seamless. 916 00:47:01,488 --> 00:47:06,034 The idea is that it is a shared universe that you can never know what to expect. 917 00:47:06,118 --> 00:47:08,495 So, characters may come in and out of shows, 918 00:47:08,579 --> 00:47:11,915 may come in and out of films in a way that hopefully feels organic. 919 00:47:11,999 --> 00:47:14,459 DON CHEADLE: We're shooting a scene in the museum, 920 00:47:14,543 --> 00:47:17,045 where, Falcon, Anthony's character, Sam, 921 00:47:17,421 --> 00:47:20,716 is deciding whether or not he's going to... 922 00:47:20,799 --> 00:47:25,053 Well, I guess he's decided that he's going to actually give 923 00:47:25,137 --> 00:47:28,891 the shield to the museum to hold 924 00:47:28,974 --> 00:47:33,395 as opposed to him taking it on and becoming Captain America himself. 925 00:47:33,478 --> 00:47:38,358 I think Rhodey both understands why Sam doesn't wanna take it on. 926 00:47:38,442 --> 00:47:41,445 He's been in a similar position with Iron Patriot, 927 00:47:41,528 --> 00:47:43,822 with a decision about Iron Man. 928 00:47:44,281 --> 00:47:46,533 But I think he also wishes that he would, 929 00:47:46,617 --> 00:47:48,869 because he thinks it's very needed right now. 930 00:47:48,952 --> 00:47:50,245 The world's broken. 931 00:47:51,371 --> 00:47:53,749 Everybody's just looking for somebody to fix it. 932 00:47:53,832 --> 00:47:59,171 Don Cheadle and I discussed the role a few times before he got here. 933 00:47:59,254 --> 00:48:03,550 And he really wanted to bring something to the character, 934 00:48:03,634 --> 00:48:08,347 and we talked a lot about, then, also, the one guy 935 00:48:08,430 --> 00:48:11,266 who could really understand the complexity 936 00:48:11,350 --> 00:48:14,019 of what it is for a Black man to carry the shield. 937 00:48:14,561 --> 00:48:19,775 He is the one guy who Sam could connect with on that level, 938 00:48:20,234 --> 00:48:25,864 and, so that became a really complex dance between the two guys. 939 00:48:25,948 --> 00:48:29,910 You know, for me, watching the two of them go through this amazing history 940 00:48:29,993 --> 00:48:33,038 we shot in our version of the Smithsonian, 941 00:48:33,121 --> 00:48:35,374 which was the history of the Howling Commandos 942 00:48:35,457 --> 00:48:37,543 alongside Captain America, 943 00:48:37,626 --> 00:48:42,589 and it was so poignant to see them walking through the history 944 00:48:42,673 --> 00:48:46,426 as we're putting that history to bed, you know, it was giving us all chills. 945 00:48:55,310 --> 00:48:57,187 NAGELHOUT: I think something the comics do, 946 00:48:57,271 --> 00:48:58,981 which works for that medium, 947 00:48:59,064 --> 00:49:01,400 is they assume that a mantle has to exist. 948 00:49:01,483 --> 00:49:03,569 Of course there's gonna be a Captain America. 949 00:49:03,652 --> 00:49:06,572 If something happens to Steve, somebody's gotta pick up that shield. 950 00:49:08,949 --> 00:49:12,286 That's a very, you know, comic book-true statement 951 00:49:12,369 --> 00:49:14,997 and it works for that format, and it's great, 952 00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:18,083 and it allows you to see that shield pass through hands. 953 00:49:18,709 --> 00:49:23,964 However, when you translate that to a live-action sort of grounded story, 954 00:49:24,047 --> 00:49:25,382 and to our real world, 955 00:49:25,465 --> 00:49:27,885 it's really important to ask the question of why. 956 00:49:27,968 --> 00:49:30,012 Why does there have to be a Captain America? 957 00:49:30,095 --> 00:49:32,264 What does it mean today versus what it meant 958 00:49:32,347 --> 00:49:33,891 when it was created in the '40s? 959 00:49:33,974 --> 00:49:36,101 And what does it mean to different people? 960 00:49:36,185 --> 00:49:37,519 SAM: Feels weird... 961 00:49:38,353 --> 00:49:39,438 Picking it up again. 962 00:49:41,356 --> 00:49:46,236 The legacy of that shield is complicated, to say the least. 963 00:49:46,820 --> 00:49:50,824 MACKIE: Sam, you know, being a soldier and being a veteran, 964 00:49:50,908 --> 00:49:56,413 being a counselor, he realizes that as a people, we're all Americans. 965 00:49:56,997 --> 00:49:58,790 I'm not Black Captain America. 966 00:49:58,874 --> 00:50:01,001 Steve wasn't white Captain America. 967 00:50:01,084 --> 00:50:03,587 He was solely Captain America. 968 00:50:03,670 --> 00:50:07,341 So as a society, as a country, we need to realize 969 00:50:07,424 --> 00:50:11,470 that all the people who are citizens here on this soil, 970 00:50:11,553 --> 00:50:15,432 no matter what their origins are, they're Americans 971 00:50:15,516 --> 00:50:19,561 and, you know, the old adage, "I am my brother's keeper," 972 00:50:19,645 --> 00:50:21,230 comes into play, you know. 973 00:50:21,313 --> 00:50:23,524 Sam realizes he deserves the right, 974 00:50:23,607 --> 00:50:25,734 he's earned the right to be Captain America 975 00:50:25,817 --> 00:50:28,487 and that has nothing to do with his race or his background. 976 00:50:28,946 --> 00:50:32,115 I ain't gonna lie. You're special. 977 00:50:34,117 --> 00:50:35,118 Thank you. 978 00:50:36,537 --> 00:50:41,124 I mean, you ain't no Malcolm or Martin, Mandela, but... 979 00:50:41,208 --> 00:50:44,503 No argument there, but I know what I've gotta do. 980 00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:49,800 MOORE: Isaiah Bradley is a character, I think, 981 00:50:49,883 --> 00:50:51,635 comic fans have been clamoring for, 982 00:50:51,718 --> 00:50:55,472 but most fans won't know. he was a Black soldier who, 983 00:50:55,556 --> 00:50:57,558 much like the Tuskegee Airmen, 984 00:50:57,641 --> 00:51:00,936 was tested on to try and recreate the super-soldier serum. 985 00:51:01,019 --> 00:51:03,814 The secret of Isaiah Bradley is that it worked, 986 00:51:03,897 --> 00:51:06,149 but because of his race, he was sidelined 987 00:51:06,233 --> 00:51:08,569 by the American government and became a pariah. 988 00:51:08,652 --> 00:51:12,364 You think you can wake up one day and decide who you wanna be? 989 00:51:13,740 --> 00:51:15,075 It doesn't work like that. 990 00:51:15,784 --> 00:51:18,495 When you have two characters like Sam Wilson and Bucky Barnes, 991 00:51:18,579 --> 00:51:19,913 who are so close to Steve, 992 00:51:19,997 --> 00:51:23,208 to meet a Super Soldier who had a completely different experience 993 00:51:23,292 --> 00:51:26,503 than the one that Captain America had, is gonna be eye-opening 994 00:51:26,587 --> 00:51:29,882 and very much informs Sam's feelings surrounding the shield. 995 00:51:29,965 --> 00:51:33,760 Whether or not that's a legitimate thing to wish for or to not. 996 00:51:33,844 --> 00:51:35,179 ISAIAH: That what I think it is? 997 00:51:36,972 --> 00:51:38,849 Mmm-mmm. Leave it covered. 998 00:51:40,392 --> 00:51:43,353 Them stars and stripes don't mean nothin' good to me. 999 00:51:43,437 --> 00:51:45,314 When we first started talking with Malcolm, 1000 00:51:45,397 --> 00:51:47,566 that was a character he asked about first 1001 00:51:47,649 --> 00:51:49,902 because, as a Black man reading comics, 1002 00:51:49,985 --> 00:51:52,029 that was a story that resonated with him 1003 00:51:52,112 --> 00:51:54,281 when you go back to Truth: Red, White and Black. 1004 00:51:54,364 --> 00:51:57,242 So it was something that he really brought to the project 1005 00:51:57,326 --> 00:51:59,286 and I think enriched the story-telling, 1006 00:51:59,369 --> 00:52:01,705 'cause it's a point of view that is often lost, 1007 00:52:01,788 --> 00:52:06,251 and again, unfortunately, society sometimes catches up with narrative. 1008 00:52:06,335 --> 00:52:09,546 It's something that we're talking about very much in our everyday lives. 1009 00:52:09,630 --> 00:52:13,884 What is the journey of being Black in America through time? 1010 00:52:13,967 --> 00:52:15,719 Not even just in the modern days, 1011 00:52:15,802 --> 00:52:18,347 but in the '40s, in the '50s. 1012 00:52:18,430 --> 00:52:20,849 It's always been quite a different journey. 1013 00:52:20,933 --> 00:52:24,603 And this gets to be an interesting lens into that time and that character, 1014 00:52:24,686 --> 00:52:27,606 which very much informs how people feel about race today. 1015 00:52:27,689 --> 00:52:29,191 I used to be like you, 1016 00:52:30,692 --> 00:52:32,528 until I opened my eyes, 1017 00:52:33,612 --> 00:52:37,407 until I saw men in the Red Tails, 1018 00:52:37,491 --> 00:52:41,537 the famous 332 fight for this country, 1019 00:52:42,329 --> 00:52:45,999 only to come home to find crosses burned on their lawn. 1020 00:52:46,083 --> 00:52:48,168 I'm from the south. I get that. 1021 00:52:48,794 --> 00:52:51,797 But you were a Super Soldier like Steve. You could've been the next... 1022 00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:54,633 The next? What? Huh? 1023 00:52:56,218 --> 00:52:59,429 Blonde hair, blue eyes, stars and stripes? 1024 00:52:59,513 --> 00:53:02,975 He becomes the embodiment of your hero's fears. 1025 00:53:03,058 --> 00:53:05,227 Isaiah is challenging Sam 1026 00:53:05,894 --> 00:53:08,981 just on whether or not a Black man should be Captain America. 1027 00:53:09,064 --> 00:53:12,693 He has that line where, "They will never let a Black man be Captain America, 1028 00:53:12,776 --> 00:53:15,946 "and even if they did, no self-respecting Black man would ever wanna be." 1029 00:53:16,029 --> 00:53:18,156 We didn't want Isaiah to be wrong about that. 1030 00:53:18,240 --> 00:53:20,576 That's gonna be part of his ongoing struggle. 1031 00:53:20,659 --> 00:53:24,162 He says, "Man, I know every time I pick the shield up, 1032 00:53:24,246 --> 00:53:26,206 "a portion of the world's gonna hate me for it." 1033 00:53:26,290 --> 00:53:29,710 Sam gotta live with that as he goes off and tries to make this work. 1034 00:53:31,879 --> 00:53:33,589 It's been an emotional experience, 1035 00:53:33,672 --> 00:53:35,924 especially in the time in which we live in now. 1036 00:53:36,008 --> 00:53:39,094 For Marvel to give me the opportunity as a Black man, 1037 00:53:39,553 --> 00:53:42,681 from the south, to become Captain America, 1038 00:53:42,764 --> 00:53:45,809 I think, says a lot, not only about the work that I've put in 1039 00:53:45,893 --> 00:53:48,395 to get to this point that they would entrust me with that, 1040 00:53:48,478 --> 00:53:54,318 but the way that they're hoping to change the way society looks at itself. 1041 00:53:54,401 --> 00:53:57,779 Look, you people have just as much power as an insane god 1042 00:53:59,573 --> 00:54:01,408 or a misguided teenager. 1043 00:54:03,869 --> 00:54:07,956 The question you have to ask yourself is, "How are you gonna use it?" 1044 00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:10,501 That last speech that Sam has, 1045 00:54:10,584 --> 00:54:13,253 that's me and Anthony on the phone for a few hours. 1046 00:54:13,337 --> 00:54:16,340 Anthony has a Black man's perspective on the world. 1047 00:54:16,423 --> 00:54:20,511 And he's like, "Mal, I gotta believe this, right?" 1048 00:54:20,594 --> 00:54:22,471 So the first thing we did was 1049 00:54:22,554 --> 00:54:25,265 we had Sam talking to somebody in that scene 1050 00:54:25,349 --> 00:54:26,975 instead of giving a speech. 1051 00:54:27,059 --> 00:54:30,145 And then, the next thing was me on the phone with him for hours 1052 00:54:30,229 --> 00:54:34,316 making sure he felt honest at every single line in this thing. 1053 00:54:34,399 --> 00:54:37,110 You know what I'm saying? So now we are super proud of that. 1054 00:54:37,194 --> 00:54:40,906 We finally have a common struggle now. 1055 00:54:40,989 --> 00:54:42,199 Think about that. 1056 00:54:42,699 --> 00:54:45,369 For once, all the people who've been begging, 1057 00:54:45,452 --> 00:54:48,372 and I mean, literally begging for you 1058 00:54:48,497 --> 00:54:52,417 to feel how hard any given day is, now you know. 1059 00:54:54,795 --> 00:54:58,173 SKOGLAND: The final costume is very much drawn from the comics. 1060 00:54:58,257 --> 00:55:00,509 Drawing from the comics was really important 1061 00:55:00,592 --> 00:55:03,762 because it had its own legacy to start with. 1062 00:55:03,846 --> 00:55:06,223 So all the detail that goes into every... 1063 00:55:06,306 --> 00:55:12,104 And I can tell you, months of thought went into every seam. 1064 00:55:12,187 --> 00:55:14,731 Not only in the building of it, but in the design of it. 1065 00:55:14,815 --> 00:55:16,567 CROW: It's kind of a breath of fresh air. 1066 00:55:16,650 --> 00:55:20,070 Visually, it's almost the reverse of the other costumes we've seen. 1067 00:55:20,153 --> 00:55:21,280 There's a lot of white 1068 00:55:21,363 --> 00:55:24,449 as opposed to all the navy and red that we've seen before. 1069 00:55:24,533 --> 00:55:28,161 The upper torso and his face are really kind of highlighted. 1070 00:55:28,245 --> 00:55:29,705 LEVEN: Captain America's new costume 1071 00:55:29,788 --> 00:55:32,916 had a very specific cowl design that they wanted. 1072 00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:36,044 And it was very difficult to build practically in real life, 1073 00:55:36,128 --> 00:55:39,423 so when Mackie would move his head around, it would flex. 1074 00:55:39,506 --> 00:55:42,968 Because there is no magical material that can have that shape 1075 00:55:43,051 --> 00:55:46,388 and that flexibility and not move around in a way that they didn't want. 1076 00:55:46,471 --> 00:55:47,931 So, they knew when they built it. 1077 00:55:48,015 --> 00:55:51,185 "This is gonna be really tough, you're gonna have to help us out." 1078 00:55:51,268 --> 00:55:54,313 And as it turned out, you know, there were dozens and dozens, 1079 00:55:54,396 --> 00:55:58,233 probably hundreds of visual effects shots just to make that cowl look better. 1080 00:55:58,317 --> 00:56:00,819 So that it looks heroic and doesn't have weird gaps. 1081 00:56:00,903 --> 00:56:02,863 We don't want to see any seams in the costume, 1082 00:56:02,946 --> 00:56:05,073 we don't want to know that it was closed by Velcro. 1083 00:56:05,157 --> 00:56:06,158 It's just magically... 1084 00:56:06,241 --> 00:56:08,577 It's a magic costume built by the Wakandans, 1085 00:56:08,660 --> 00:56:10,120 so we need to bring that to life. 1086 00:56:10,204 --> 00:56:11,371 MACKIE: All right, watch this! 1087 00:56:15,751 --> 00:56:18,212 SKOGLAND: I think it was all to support a combination 1088 00:56:18,295 --> 00:56:22,257 of what the overall red, white and blue look was going to be 1089 00:56:22,341 --> 00:56:24,676 and that it had to be bright and positive. 1090 00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:28,514 There had to be an ultimately positive vibe to this, 1091 00:56:29,181 --> 00:56:33,310 you know, sparkling person... (CHUCKLES) 1092 00:56:33,393 --> 00:56:36,480 Which is, and really beautifully, shown, 1093 00:56:36,563 --> 00:56:38,857 I think, in the final speech. 1094 00:56:38,941 --> 00:56:43,070 It has a, you know, a bit of a knight in shining armor quality to it. 1095 00:56:46,156 --> 00:56:48,033 STAN: It's a new Captain America, you know, 1096 00:56:48,116 --> 00:56:51,203 it's a new angle, and it's a new vibe 1097 00:56:51,286 --> 00:56:53,455 and I think he's got some really cool things 1098 00:56:53,539 --> 00:56:56,250 that are being explored in this from the idea of family, 1099 00:56:56,333 --> 00:56:59,503 pursuit of happiness versus this American Dream 1100 00:56:59,586 --> 00:57:01,129 that's bestowed on all of us, 1101 00:57:01,213 --> 00:57:03,298 but certainly how a Black man deals with that. 1102 00:57:03,382 --> 00:57:05,676 I mean, there's all kinds of actually complex, 1103 00:57:05,759 --> 00:57:08,178 very specific issues dealt in this 1104 00:57:08,262 --> 00:57:10,556 that are very applicable to the times that we're in. 1105 00:57:10,639 --> 00:57:14,017 This isn't about easy decisions, Senator. 1106 00:57:14,101 --> 00:57:15,644 You just don't understand. 1107 00:57:15,727 --> 00:57:19,523 (SCOFFS) I'm a Black man carrying the stars and stripes. 1108 00:57:19,606 --> 00:57:21,525 What don't I understand? 1109 00:57:21,608 --> 00:57:24,403 I know what it is to deal with something bigger than me. 1110 00:57:25,737 --> 00:57:29,449 With everything that's been going on with COVID 1111 00:57:29,533 --> 00:57:32,870 and the murders of Breonna 1112 00:57:32,953 --> 00:57:35,831 and the murder of George Floyd 1113 00:57:36,248 --> 00:57:41,837 and, you know, the riots and the activism 1114 00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:45,090 going on with the young generation now and, you know, 1115 00:57:45,174 --> 00:57:46,800 the Black Lives Matter movement, 1116 00:57:46,884 --> 00:57:51,638 it's been jarring to me and surprising how timely this series is. 1117 00:57:59,062 --> 00:58:02,524 My truth has changed and evolved so much. 1118 00:58:02,608 --> 00:58:04,151 As far as me being a father, 1119 00:58:04,234 --> 00:58:07,321 as far as me being a man, and as far as me being an American. 1120 00:58:07,404 --> 00:58:11,116 And a lot of that has come out of this role and this series. 1121 00:58:12,284 --> 00:58:15,078 So, it's been humbling in a real sense, 1122 00:58:15,162 --> 00:58:17,164 but also inspiring to think 1123 00:58:17,247 --> 00:58:21,543 that my sons will be able to turn on the TV and see, 1124 00:58:21,627 --> 00:58:23,712 a Black Captain America. 1125 00:58:23,795 --> 00:58:25,506 ISAIAH: Ain't gonna be easy, Sam. 1126 00:58:26,089 --> 00:58:28,550 SAM: Yeah, I might fail. I might die. 1127 00:58:29,218 --> 00:58:30,928 But we built this country. 1128 00:58:31,011 --> 00:58:32,346 Bled for it. 1129 00:58:33,347 --> 00:58:36,350 I'm not gonna let anybody tell me I can't fight for it. 1130 00:58:45,901 --> 00:58:48,278 (MUSIC PLAYING)